Archive for October 6, 2004

What Was He Thinking?

During the Vice-Presidential debate, Dick Cheney directed people to factcheck.com (he meant factcheck.org) in response to Edward’s criticism of Cheney’s former employer Halliburton: “If you go, for example, to FactCheck.com, an independent Web site sponsored by the University of Pennsylvania, you can get the specific details with respect to Halliburton.”

God, this is Jason. I don’t ask for much. In fact, I don’t ask for anything. I think the whole flowing white robe and booming voice thing is kind of silly, and if I’m going to believe in a God, I want him to have a few tats. But if you do exist, and you have some extra time on your hands, please send people to factcheck.org to read their article on the debate, just like Cheney requested. I know you don’t like to get directly involved in human affairs, but if you look at him as a pasty devil without the horns, it’s really not that hard.

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A Few More Debate Comments

Just making fun of my recent uncreative titles…

I got a question posted in a Washington Post chat about the debate, and, as it is the highlight of one of the many dreary days that make up my existence, I share it with you to bask in the warm glow of your admiration and newfound respect.

Arlington, Va.: Maybe I’m idealistic, but you haven’t addressed what I think is the most important question: who told the truth more often?

Let me get my bias right out: I’m a Kerry suporter. But I challenge anyone to read The Washington Post’s “debate referee” article and claim Edwards made anywhere near as many misleading comments or “deliberate misstatements of facts” as Cheney did.

Pancake City rocks!

Robert G. Kaiser: Thanks for the posting. It doesn’t take a PhD to count up the examples in that article; your analysis of it is accurate. Also accurate is your analysis to the rockingness of Pancake City.

(obviously, the Pancake City references weren’t part of the original question. And the chat is worth checking out–lots of interesting comments.)

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    I’m glad the Bush-Cheney campaign has stopped saying that John Kerry voted for higher taxes over 350 times and switched to a more reasonable 98 times.

    I think the anchors on CNN are a bunch of morons, but they actually made one insightful comment. They mentioned that when Cheney said “F— You” to Sen. Leahy last June on the Senate floor, it was because Sen. Leahy criticized Cheney’s connections to Haliburton. Haliburton makes Hulk Cheney angry. Cheney no like talk about Haliburton. You could see it the first few times Edwards mentioned it in the debate. Cheney would perk up and scowl or begin to twitch.
    Most of the instant online polls have Edwards winning in a landslide. I think instant polls are worthless and often have no relation to fact. So I put zero stock in them. But they are a decent barometer of the passion and post-spin effort of each side, and in that respect these polls bode well for the Democrats.

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I’d like to jot my thoughts down before they are skewed by the slew of analysis and instant polls that is sure to follow.

I’m more or less a political nut, and even I found the debate boring. The stakes were much lower, and it was more or less a rehash of previous arguments against each other. I wasn’t expecting a “You’re no Jack Kennedy” moment. In fact, given the gravitas this series of debates has taken, I think such a line would sound inappropriate and be ineffective. But the night did more to reinforce the themes for each party (e.g. “John Kerry isn’t a capable leader”; “George Bush isn’t honest with the public”) than establish any new ground.

As a performance, I think Dick Cheney did better than John Edwards, particularly in the first 1/6 of the debate where I thought he was crushing Edwards. The debate reminded me of the first one between Kerry and Bush, except it was Cheney landing the jobs and putting a new spin on old arguments, and Edwards looking inexperienced and repeating the same stock phrases.

What happened is that Cheney would give a two-minute answer, lie or misrepresent the facts five or six times in his answer, and then the question would be passed off to Edwards, who had 90 seconds to respond, challenged zero to one of Cheney’s statements, and repeated the same phrases Kerry said in the debate. Edwards came off in the beginning as not having confidence in his own words. Cheney looked knowledgable and better prepared.

But after the first 15 min. or so, Edwards collected himself and began responding to Cheney’s attacks with good rebuttals and attacks on his own. He did a few smart things in the debate. One, and some people may poke fun at Edwards for doing this, he referred a few times to how Kerry did in the debate last week.

Maybe I’m deluding myself with a rationalization, but I think this was a good move. Cheney is a better debater and probably more intellectually sharp than Edwards. He’s like the evil John Kerry. The best Edwards could hope for is a tie, which I think he did well enough to have the media call it as such, that is, until 17 minutes from now when the absolutely accurate instant polls come out.

But in case people view Cheney as having put on a more convincing performance, Edwards rightly reminded people that the real question isn’t which of them is the better debater, or would make the better Vice-President. It’s, “Does John Kerry have what it takes to become the next President of the United States?” and the last debate reflected very favorably towards Kerry in regards to this question. It’s kind of like mentioning 9/11 every minute, except for a positive effect rather than a negative one.

Bush’s approval ratings are around 50%. On some level, I have to hope that even dumb people realize that the reason he is attacking Kerry so ferociously is because he can’t run on his own record. The main thing stopping undecided voters who aren’t satisfied with Bush from switching to Kerry is the question, “Can Kerry do the job?” and reminding that Kerry answered that question in part in the first debate is a good strategy.

The second smart think Edwards did was hammer home the issue of being honest with the American people and the Bush administration’s failure to acknowledge the current situation in Iraq. While I think it’s detrimental to the long-term interests of any politician to claim he or she will tell the truth, it’s great in the short run because there is a real disconnect between what has been happening in Iraq for the last year and what the President has been telling us.

Furthermore, Cheney lied his ass off during the debate. Much more so than Edwards. I’m too cynical to think that your average undecided voter picked up on it during the debate, but perhaps if the media does a decent job fact-checking and the Democrats in publicizing Cheney’s misleading or false statements, the coverage will lend support to the idea that the Bush Administration has a problem with telling the truth.

I’m not hopeful this will be the case. What Cheney said was mild compared to previous and amazingly recent claims of ties between Iraq and al-Qaeda, and 9/11 and Iraq, and he’s received little backlash for those statements, so I don’t think this time will be much different.

On a side note, I’d like to toot my own horn for pointing out in a previous post why the Kerry campaign has taken to repeatedly saying there is no operational relationship between al-Qaeda and Iraq, as John Edwards did during the debate.

To sum up, I think Cheney’s natural speaking abilities and ability to lie in a believable way gave him an edge, but John Edwards for the most part held his own and definitely did much better than Lieberman in the 2000 VP debate. The best news for the Kerry campaign is that Bush is back on stage this Friday (although Bush typically excels at town hall meetings, similar to how they were Clinton’s best arena).

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